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Students protest gun bill with walkout

200 rally against concealed carry 2 years after Virginia Tech shooting

By Amy Bingham

Daily Texan Staff

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Published: Friday, April 17, 2009

Updated: Friday, April 17, 2009

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“Hey hey, ho ho, guns in school have got to go!” chanted about 200 UT students as they ascended the state Capitol’s south steps Thursday afternoon.

With cardboard signs reading “More Guns = More Blood,” “No Need” and “Books not Berettas,” the crowd encircled a wooden podium where Virginia Tech alumnus John Woods, a UT graduate student, spoke of his terrifying experience with guns on college campuses.

On the second anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre — America’s deadliest school shooting — state representatives, activists and the county constable urged protesters to speak out to their legislators against a bill that would allow concealed-carry license holders to bring handguns onto public university campuses. Student Government and University Democrats organized the protest.

The concealed-carry bill, authored by state Rep. Joe Driver, R-Garland, has 77 co-sponsors. It passed though committee April 8 with a 5-to-3 vote and may soon be scheduled for debate on the House floor. The Senate’s version of the bill is pending in committee.

“There is a weapons race in this country,” said state Rep. Lon Burnam, D-Fort Worth, who voted against the bill in the House Committee of Public Safety. “Tell them to stop, to get off your campus. This is your Capitol. Take it back.”

At 11:30 a.m., students across campus rose from their lecture halls, walked out of class and marched to the Capitol to rally against the proposed legislation.

Communication studies sophomore Carinne Deeds and about five of her classmates walked out of their American history class, where lecturer Megan Seaholm was discussing the Vietnam War.

Deeds said she participated in the walkout because she feels handguns are a threat to the safety of students on campus.

“More guns would lead to more violence,” she said.

Seaholm said she was aware of the walkout and was not disrupted by it. 

“I support the peaceful demonstration of free speech among our students,” Seaholm said. “It always cheers me when students are paying attention to larger political events and making decisions on their own.”

Government sophomore Philip Kleiman observed the rally and said he supports the legislation to allow license holders to carry handguns on campus. To acquire a license, individuals must be 21 years old, or 18 for military personnel, pass a background check, be of sound mind and take a safety training course.

Kleiman said he was annoyed that protesters compared the Virginia Tech shooting to a scenario that could occur at UT if students were allowed to carry concealed weapons.

“If you want to talk about the Virginia Tech thing, it’s more who can own a gun and who can buy a gun, not where they can take that gun,” Kleiman said.

Travis County Constable Bruce Elfant said most law enforcement personnel do not support the right of students to carry weapons on campus. He said the state should focus on funding mental-health facilities and decreasing violence outside of college campuses instead.

Government senior Andy Jones, an SG liberal arts representative, said he attended the rally to show legislators that SG is adamantly opposed to the bill. Jones said UT would be drastically different if guns were allowed.

“The fear would be palpable,” Jones said. “This is not about me; it’s not about John Woods. It’s about [students] not being afraid to go to class.”

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42 comments

edweirdness
Wed Apr 22 2009 15:16
What moron suggested that the right to carry is a "conservative issue"? CHL on campus should be expected to show the same level of deterrance as CHL in the larger community. The possibility that someone may in fact be armed is the surest deterrent to any violent criminal activity. Statistically this has been proven the case nationally and in the state of Texas in particular. The instances of a CHL holders committing violence against another person are so small as to be imperceptible. Often the last thoughts that cross a crime victims mind are "if I only had a gun", and "why isn't anyone doing something to stop this person from killing me"? Let's not discount the fact that college students, similar to their high school compatriots, will use just about any excuse to duck a class or bug out for the day. Certainly these aren't the sort of responsible campus representatives I'd want determining who has the ability (the constitution already gives us the right) to defend themselves.
Adrian
Tue Apr 21 2009 22:35
To have a license you have to undergo training, extensive background checks, pay fees, and be MENTALLY SOUND. The people that commit murder do you think they are MENTALLY SOUND? The answer is no. College campuses provide helpless victims to mass murderers and you should utilize your right, because when the $%#& hits the fan, cops will not be there to protect you, because they are there after the fact. This is a crazy world and we never know when some lunatic decides to go on a murder mission. You opponents say that more guns add to violence, however statistics show that more guns per capita deters crime, just look at the Swiss. If there was one or two student chl holders that were carrying where the Virginia Tech shootings occurred, do you think he would of killed as many people as he did? If one or two people chl holders wered carrying in each of the 3 planes on 9/11 do you think there would even be a 9/11? GUN FREE SAFE ZONES PROVIDE HELPLESS VICTIMS TO MASS MURDERERS!!!
EX-PCT 5 employee
Sun Apr 19 2009 18:30
I am a current sworn Texas Peace Officer who supports the right of trained, responsible citizens to carry there firearm any where that they wish.

I worked for Bruce Elfant, he would do the annual firearms qualification course with only his closest subordinates at the range (was he afraid we would see something we shouldn't see). Bruce is a anti-gun person and wouldn't know what to do if someone was shooting up a school except for calling 911 and ducking his worthless head. Don't let him continue to fool you naive college kids. Bruce doesn't know what he is talking about if he believes the majority of law enforcement don't want responsible, trained citizens bearing arms on campus.

Imagine
Sun Apr 19 2009 12:47
You're sitting in your third period class, listening to the professor's lecture and then you hear a pop. A shooting is going right outside the classroom, and three kids are running around, shooting everything in the sight.

They are right across from your room and screaming that they'll kill everyone.

You are on the fifth floor of the building. Jumping out is certain death.

What do you do?

Your name
Sat Apr 18 2009 14:54
Troll.
i am not a bully...
Sat Apr 18 2009 05:31
i think all of you should just be quiet and allow anyone who wants to carry a gun to do so. if you don't like guns well move to another country that doesn't allow gun ownership. america has always allowed its citizens to bear arms. in fact i am ticked off that i can't bear a nuclear missile so that i can blow up anyone who threatens me, why should the government be allowed to get the drop on me? do you think that i trust the u.s. military, cia, fbi, george bush or anyone else to protect me? we need to allow wal-mart and other stores to sell nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction so that we can protect ourselves from big brother and other bullies.
Jonathan Shih
Fri Apr 17 2009 22:04
i support the campus carry bill because i am fighting for MY right to defend MY life. should a crazy, lunatic mass-murderer step into my classroom, i would like to at least have a fighting chance to save my own life. i may or may not succeed, but at least i will have a fighting chance. banning concealed carry on campus would put me completely at the mercy of the mass-murderer until campus police can respond, and a 3 minute response time isn't good enough. i will be dead by the time the cops get here. texans everywhere are taking responsibility for their own safety and we shouldn't be disarmed by the artificial and arbitrary boundaries of a "classroom." ironically, students saying that they would be too afraid to attend class don't seem to have a problem going to the movies or the mall or to their favorite restaurant. well new flash... people are carrying guns legally in all those places. even in the park where you walk your dog. so get over your irrational fear or stop eating out.
Savvy Sexperts
Fri Apr 17 2009 20:05
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Fri Apr 17 2009 18:35
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A year ago I wouldn't have agreed with guns on campus, but that feeling slowly diminished when I was followed home by a drugged up pervert. I had never felt so vulnerable.This feeling I have is further supported by the fact that there have been theft and assaults on and around our campus. The kind of people that hang out downtown can be dangerous and if you are ever unlucky enough to experience what I have experienced than you'd understand why some people feel the need to carry a weapon. I feel that rather than carrying guns, people should carry something that can protect them but not kill another person, like a taser. Criminals will carry guns no matter what the law says and just because our school doesn't allow you to carry a weapon doesn't mean you are safe. If a school shooting does happen than the person committing the shooting is going to do it anyways regardless of the school's policy on weapons. I am sure that there are some ppl who wished they had a gun during the V-Tech shooting.You don' t know what it is like until you are in a position where you are in danger.

Rather than focus all of our energies on this issue maybe we should focus more on better screening methods before selling weapons to ANYONE. People who have guns should be checked up on more in depth because if people like the v-tech shooters who have obvious mental problems can get guns than anyone can. People need to crack down and really evaluate who they are selling these weapons to.

Your name
Fri Apr 17 2009 17:44
Don't let irrational fear keep guns off campus. Look at the statistics. There have no problems on the campuses that do allow carry. CHlers are less likely to commit a violent crime that your average neighbor. Statistically there is will be 4-5 people carrying guns at the average Texas movie theater and several more in the grocery store but people aren't loosing their head and shoot or threatened others with guns. And people aren't walking around freaked out thinking "Does that guy have a gun?" None of the campus shootings were stopped by the police. I know that if I am assaulted the police will do me not good. They will have a hard enough time trying to figure out who did it. Remember, when seconds count the police are only minutes away. I don't fault the police. They do a great job, but they can't be everywhere at once and criminals wait to strike when they aren't around. It was a difficult decision to carry. I realized that just took on a huge responsibility. I now have to think about what I would do and when I would use deadly force. It will not be an easy decision and I must be ready to pay the consequences. But the alternative is an even worse choice. If you don't want to carry I am ok with that. But don't take away my second amendment right to defend myself unless you are prepared to take on the responsibility of what happens to me and my family if I can't defend myself. I don't think you want that responsibility!
1911
Fri Apr 17 2009 17:42
Concerned Austinite- Sometimes feet and fist is all that is needed. Just b/c you have a gun, does not mean I need to draw it. This is something that is taught. However, when the other guy has a knife or gun, or if there are multiple assailants. I'd prefer my 45 of my fist any day of the week.

Oh, and to those that want the police to do the job. The police don't stop things from happening... They only write about them once they've happened. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. This isn't necessarily a dig at the job of the cops, but, they can't be everywhere at all of the time. Your safety is in your own hands, and you might need something in your hands depending on the threat.

This isn't the fictional west. But it ain't Utopia either. Bad things happen. Its up to you to avoid them when you can, but fight them if you must.

John, don't be absurd.. They don't allow guns near politicians b/c justice might accidentally be served. Surely you can see why they don't allow people w/ guns near politicians.. Kinda like leaving a keg at a frat party, what do you think is going to happen.

John F.
Fri Apr 17 2009 17:30
If carrying guns makes an environment safer, why don't legislators allow the public to carry guns when sitting in the gallery at the Capitol building? They want guns in OUR work place but not in theirs!
Your name
Fri Apr 17 2009 15:52
I've got a great idea: instead of banning guns or knives or whatever, let's just ban murder!
no no no guns near campus
Fri Apr 17 2009 15:42
Vigilante gun policies aren't the solution. While people can own arms and keep them in their house or ( with license for business like banks), they don't have a right to carry them to campus or used by a party to intimidate lawmakers into compliance !!! If there is a security problem then more officers or armed security personnel who are THOUROUGHLY screened need to be near campus. Amatures, sports hunters, or people like Cheney (who shot a fellow hunter on the butte should be hauling them so they can shoot at their "perceived" targets). We are not in the 1800's where the west was wild and Yosimite Sams ran their own version of the public policy. I remember going target shooting in the boonies with grandpa as a teen and I still don't think they ought to be any where near the public.
no guns near campus
Fri Apr 17 2009 15:27
My grandfather was a WWII sharp shooter and excellent marksman (with artillery) and have uncles who served in Iraq (one on a tanker) and neither has never voted REPUBLICAN. A cousing has just graduated from medical school after undergrad at Notre Dame and is serving her country in the Navy as a physician (and she and her extended family are not republican- in fact are true blue democrats). Bushies want to keep up that phoney soldier routine up as long as they can. UT (and its' bell tower shootout in the 70's isn't something that needs repeating). Public safety and reason are first and guns have no place on campus or in the hands of angry people period. The US has the prime non regulatory enviroment that criminals in the US and across the border benefit from.
The Cowardly Liberal
Fri Apr 17 2009 15:07
Nasruddin was throwing handfuls of bread around his house.

"What are you doing?" someone asked.

"Keeping tigers away," answered Nasruddin.

"But there are no tigers around here!"

"Exactly. Effective, isn't it?"

Concerned Austinite
Fri Apr 17 2009 14:56
Whatever happened to using your fists or your feet to get out of a situation? Sounds the people who are really afraid are the ones who feel they must carry a gun everywhere they go. Sounds like a fun life to be afraid all the time. Kind of like after 9/11 when we were all told to be afraid...be very afraid. If someones really got it out for you ( or even a random act of violence), sure you might have a small chance of returning fire and maybe even register a hit. But what about the other people standing around who you might hit? Ever think of that? I'm sorry, but I couldn't live my life in that kind of fear and paranoia. Don't too much like looking over my shoulder all the time. If something like that is going to happen (like a terrorist attack) then maybe I die, but I'd rather not live my life afraid of everyone I pass.
JM
Fri Apr 17 2009 14:54
Courtesy of concealedcampus.org

After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of more than eighty semesters, none of these eleven schools have seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states have seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc.

There's plenty of other goodies and statistics on the site. Some of you people, including the DT, should (GASP) do some research.

The Cowardly Liberal
Fri Apr 17 2009 14:45
Show me a statistic where CHL prevents violence on campus.

(farts)

Uh, yeah, so maybe there's more to life than statistics, schoolboy.

JM
Fri Apr 17 2009 14:39
Show me a statistic where CHL on college campuses has led to an increase in violence.

(waits)

Yeah, that's what I though.







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