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Bill pushes for creation of N. Texas law school

To be located in Dallas, institution could strain state budget, Powers says

By Mohini Madgavkar

Daily Texan Staff

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Published: Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Sen. Royce West, D-Dallas, introduced a bill at a Senate Education Committee meeting Tuesday to create a new law school at the University of North Texas.

If the bill is passed, the school would be located in downtown Dallas rather than at UNT’s Denton campus, and the law school’s first class would matriculate in 2011.

Southern Methodist University’s Dedman School of Law, a private institution, currently serves the Dallas population, which would make UNT’s the first public law school to open in the Dallas area.

The UNT System is asking the Legislature for $40 million in tuition revenue bonds to fund the initiative and will receive the land for the school as well as additional funding from the city of Dallas.

UNT System Chancellor Lee Jackson said the new school would help cater to an under-served population of students who want to attend a public law school in Texas.

“The pool of law school applicants has been growing over the years as Texas’s population grows,” said Jackson, a former Dallas County judge. “More selectivity is a good thing, but from a statistical perspective, the chances for an individual applicant to get into a Texas public law school are less and less.”

UT President William Powers said a new law school could create budget concerns in the already fiscally strained Legislature.

“There’s only so much funding to go around,” Powers said. “We’ve got to take care of the existing higher education infrastructure, including the two flagships. I think the priorities of the state ought to be the two flagship institutions and UT in particular because they provide a very important service for the state as internationally renowned research universities.”

Powers and UT System Chancellor Francisco Cigarroa have been pushing the Legislature to increase funding for UT. Powers’ campaign for an additional $3 billion in University funding has raised $790 million so far.

Bills to start a law school at UNT have been introduced twice before but failed to pass on both occasions. West said that this time he is confident the bill will go through because of strong support in the House.

The Legislature will hear testimony this week on a similar bill to create a law school at the University of Texas at Brownsville that, if passed, would further stretch the state’s finances. West said that he thinks UNT’s law school bid will pass despite the challenging financial climate for higher education.

“If we were depending just on the state, that might give me pause, but we also have support from the city of Dallas,” West said. “The costs are really dependent on whether there is a demand for a law school.”

Texas currently hosts public law schools at UT-Austin, Texas Tech, Texas Southern University and the University of Houston. Texas also has five other private law schools. UNT’s law school would be the first Texas public law school built in 40 years.

Powers said he understands the need for new professional schools in Texas. A new law school at UNT would have little effect on UT law school admissions, he said.

“If new law schools were to start up, they’d be taking students from a range of admissions criteria that are not students who would be competitive at UT-Austin’s law school,” Powers said. “They will be admitting from a different group of law school aspirants, so there will be no impact on UT law school admissions.”

Comments

11 comments
huh
Tue Mar 24 2009 10:21
So, Ike, what you're saying is that new law school grads have to suck it up and do grunt work for 25K or so a year to "cut their teeth" because no firms hire grads w/o significant work experience? Um, isn't that precisely the reason why so many law school grads end up working outside the legal field?

Also, nice approstrophe use. Lemme guess...St. Mary's grad?

Over taxed
Sat Mar 14 2009 00:05
Why should the taxpayers of Texas sudsidize any more lawyers when Texas law schools produce too many lawyers already? If people want to attend law school, they should pay for it themselves -- loans are available. The taxpayers already subsidize four state law schools, that's more than enough!
UT law grad
Thu Mar 12 2009 08:05
Thanks to the US News law school ranking methodology, UT and UofH have to exclude an overwhelming majority of Texas applicants whose GPA or LSAT scores would have a negative impact on their rankings. UNT would be a much more affordable option for those students who currently would only be accepted by St. Mary's or Wesleyan.
UNT alumnus and Denton resident for sensible state government
Wed Mar 11 2009 16:45
The law school is not needed. College, especially graduate study, is a commitment. It is not supposed to be easy. If a person living in the DFW area wants to attend a public law school in Texas then they must plan accordingly and relocate. If said person chooses not to relocate then one of two private schools is a viable option. In a similar sense of shock and dismay, I am stunned the state funded UNT-Dallas when UT-Dallas and UT-Arlington are nearby. It seems that ultimately the UNT-Denton campus will suffer in the long run if the Dallas campus grows much more.
Ike Ernst
Mon Mar 9 2009 11:53
The DFW region has almost 9 million people. This is the largest population center in the U.S. without a public law school. Students deserve to receive a quality education at an affordable price. If you are a lawyer and do not have a job I would suggest you look at the want ad's. My firm, right now, has openings for a staff lawyer. $89,000. Yes we are asking for 5 yrs experience but no matter what profession you must cut your teeth right out of the gate. You cannot navigate law right out of school. There is a shortage of lawyers right now! This will increase by 7-12% in 5 years. Texas needs a new law school in Dallas. UNT is a logical fit since it already has campuses in Denton, FW, Dallas. With no public law east of Lubbock and North of Austin I do not see how anyone can oppose this bill. It would be political suicide. The fact is many professionals start their career after undergrad then get their law degree later. It would be hard to move a family to Austin from Dallas just to get your Jurisprudence. UNT with over 35,000 students deserves the chance to move forward educating future students.
voice of experience
Thu Mar 5 2009 12:48
This is ridiculous for one reason - we don't need more lawyers. UT Law School, which is the best law school in Texas (but keeps slipping in nation-wide rankings because of poor administration and the increasingly slipping bar passage rate) has graduates from '08 that STILL don't have jobs or had to take public interest jobs in the Rio Grande Valley (no offense to Valley natives) and apply for student loan payment assistance because they make well under 50,000. This year's grads aren't faring much better, apart from the limited number of stellar students with wonderful grades, impressive internships under their belt, board membership on a journal, and all that. If that's the best the best law school in Texas can do for it's graduates, then what do we need another law school for? To increase the number of kids with law degrees they can't use because they have to take some job, any job, that has little to do with their skills or education, since they have a 100+$$$ student loan hanging over their head. Lest we forget, law school is incredibly expensive, more expensive than undergraduate or graduate school. Why? Because you're supposed to be making big bucks when you get out, which, historically, isn't the reality for most law school graduates (and of course, you certainly can if you're willing to sell your soul and work 100 hours a week and kiss your personal life goodbye for the next few years to "establish" yourself, and that's IF you're on law review and are at the top of your class in the first place), and it's especially bad this year.

My advice to the recent law school grads without jobs? Get an LL.M. and teach what you don't know. There are plenty of law schools that have no qualms about hiring professors with absolutely no legal experience, trust me. In any case, there will always be students as optimistic, gullible and perhaps even as naive as you were, so you'll always have a job. Think about it.

God
Thu Mar 5 2009 06:10
Do we really need more lawyers?
Steve
Thu Mar 5 2009 00:51
Yes there is currently a glut of law grads without jobs. That said, under the proposal the first graduating class ath the proposed UNT Law school would be 6 years out.

I concede there are plenty of law schools in Texas. However there arent plenty of affordable ones.

You have UT, UoH, Tech, and TSU that are affordable. SMU, Baylor, Texas Weslayan, St. Mary's, and South Texas are ALL extremely expensive. Now if UNT Law would be like TSU, it is not needed. UNT Law would need to be more of the caliber of Tech for it to be worthwhile.

Lastly, its hilarious the UT President comments on this. UT wastes more money in two years than this will cost over two years. UT holds to much power in the legislature. There is no justifiable reason for the GIGANTIC disparity in funding between UT, and the rest of the public schools in Texas. Hell UT gets almost twice as much as A&M, and almost 3 times as much as Tech. And Im not talking about system wise Im talking the single campus UT, A&M and Texas Tech.

Texas can afford this, between their $9billion in the rainy day fund, and the $16billion in stimulus($1.2billion of which is supposed to go to higher ed).

UT is just greedy and wants to continue its bloated ways. So of course they(and this rag), oppose any school developing new projects.

bluto
Wed Mar 4 2009 21:49
The Universaity of North Texas can better serve the people of Texas by providing degree programs in academic areas with a present and future need for graduates. There is no need for additional law graduates in Texas or anywhere else. Everyone knows about the huge glut of lawyers on the market. UT has cut back its entering class size over the past several years (from 575 to 375). If the state truly needed additional lawyers, it could increase enrollment at UT to previous levels. A new law school is a complete and utter waste of taxpayer dollars.
swen
Wed Mar 4 2009 10:52
Well, to be fair, the only law schools in the DFW area are all private, but with the current state of the economy and the fact that more firms are laying off practicing attorneys and new law school graduates are accepting jobs outside the legal field because unless you're at the top ten percent of your class and write for a journal (and of course, you're at a top law school and Texas isn't overflowing with great law schools - there's UT and I'm sure some may argue U of H or Baylor,), you can either work outside the legal field or take a government job that only pays 40K a year. Even with career services working with students, overall, recent and soon-to-be law school graduates are feeling pretty grim.
Are you serious?
Wed Mar 4 2009 10:02
Terrible idea! This has pork written all over it. Texas, specifically DFW, already has enough law schools. This would (a) flood the legal market with more (unneeded lawyers), (b) reward students who would not otherwise have gotten into law school, thus decreasing the competitiveness of low to mid-tier law schools, and (c) provide Texas with a 3rd tier law school...who needs that? Why not use the money to fund Texas' public universities and worry about first things first.






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